Oh, well, basically the volunteers, especially volunteering with lived experience but it’s across volunteering altogether, but  with the primary on volunteering with lived experience. People have been homeless, been in addiction, mental health problems, that kind of thing, because they’re the ones that have this dying urge to give something back for some unknown reason.

But it becomes part of them because they were helped they want to help others, they have been in the shit so they want to get other people out of the shit because they know how bad it is. And so to me that makes them vulnerable and they are exploited.

So I believe there should be a charter for volunteers, because I believe that this is a section that is exploited. They are cheap and easily disposable. And if you go through the systems of all the different charities and all the different organizations that are primarily using volunteers you will sometimes find them being treated as cheap labour if  they are just paid expenses which they claim back anyway, If we are not careful volunteers can become easily disposable as there is someone to come round the corner and take up the slack.